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Backyard Breeder?
By admin | May 25, 2008
Virgo’s Eternal Reign asked:
I’m sorry but… I have to ask.
What exactly is YOUR personal opinion of a “Backyard Breeder”?
I assure you… I know what it is.
I’ve noticed ppl throwing that term around alot on here and I can’t help but wonder if most of them are simply coping off someone else using that term.
My Personal Opinion you may ask?
A Backyard Breeder (of dogs) is someone that:
#1.. is in it for the money and money alone. They have NO regard for the dogs welfare or friendship they offer.
#2..They literally Breed out of the Backyard or out of poorly maintained kennels.
#3.. Their dogs are NOT OFA Certified or even taken to a vet on a regular basis.
#4.. They’re more eager to grab the cash out of your hand than learn more about you and how their pups will treated.
#5.. Often, the pups they offer are not registered. Why?
Prolly because they got into trouble and are no longer legally premitted to breed.
#6.. They are NEVER a member of a Breed’s Parent Club because they couldnt careless.
I ran outta room…
I know I’m prolly missing some major redflags of Backyard Breeders.
I just wanna know… What is YOUR *personal* opinion of a BYB?
Not something you’ve read on here that someone else has said.
May 29th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Yep, you pretty much hit the nail on the head!
I would also like to add that another reason for breeding is “my dog is cute and has a sweet personality, so I think she should have puppies”.
Here are a few more:
-They breed mutts, and claim that they are creating a “better beed” by doing so. Or, they breed mutts by “accident” and try to make big $$ of the pups anyway.
-No health guarantees, or even contracts for that matter
-They come to Yahoo! Answers for advice when they realize they have no f*ing clue what they are doing, and their b*tch is about to die…. because by this time they are too embarassed or too cheap to call their vet and tell them what they’ve been up to.
May 31st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
You are correct on all counts except that no one needs legal permission to breed pups - that is the problem - anyone can breed their dogs and all too many creeps consider it a profitable sideline.
They have no idea what they are doing and don’t care as long as they can make a quick buck.
Don;t you just love the ones on here who claim it is their inalienable right to breed anything and everything they want - anyone who tries to talk them out of it is a “snob” who only want pedigree dogs to be born.
I don’t care if it’s pedigree or not, if you don’t know what you are doing, don’t have proven good lines, and don’t already have good forever homes for the pups, you should not be breeding - anything.
June 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
There are many things that I think qualifies someone as a “BYB”.
BYB’s breed non-proven dogs. A dog can be proven in the show ring, or in any working sport. I find the two comparable. They also do not get health clearances (NOT VET CHECKS! I am referring to things like OFA…) because they either don’t want to spend the money, or don’t even know it exists.
BYB’s, in my opinion, don’t necessarily have to be in it for the money… they could be in it to breed their “wonderful pet”… I think it comes down to either greed or ignorance.
They don’t sell on spay/neuter contracts, because they don’t care that their pet quality puppies could be bred.
June 6th, 2008 at 3:18 am
I would add:
Doesn’t care about the puppy once it’s left your house, or if its ends up in a shelter or dead.
Treats breeding animals like factories!
Otherwise, right on!
June 6th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
I agree with what you said. A backyard breeder is an irresponsible person who is just breeding in order to make cute puppies so they can sell them to make a profit. They don’t care about the health of the parents or puppies. They don’t breed to any standards, they just make sure the pups are pure breed, or one of those ever popular ‘designer breeds.’ They don’t care where the puppies end up, just as long as they get their pay check.
I hate backyard breeders. Backyard breeders and puppy mills are one of the main reasons there are so many homeless animals sitting in animal shelters right now.
***I have to agree with another point that was made. Not ALL of them are in it for the money. Sometimes you will get one that think ‘my dog is so wonderful, I want another one just like her, so I will breed her.’ They end up with one of her pups, but what about the rest of the litter?? I hate when people think like this.
And for others they have noticed how many people compliment their dog, how pretty it is, how nice it is… So they think they are doing the world a service by creating more puppies like their dog. But once the puppies come, they may realize that all those people who complimented their dog, really aren’t ready to get a puppy right now.
June 10th, 2008 at 4:43 am
I think this includes most everything:
http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html
June 12th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Don’t forget about the fact that they don’t microchip there puppies.
The don’t ask you questions about what type of kennel you have, what your going to feed the dog, vet refrences or anything like that.
They usually don’t have a contract either.
Also with Alaskan Malmutes you can usually tell when it says GIANT, there’s no such thing as true GIANT malamute. These are just the dogs that people picked because they were larger. They generally don’t typify the breed standards in any way. AND they are not AKC registerable for the most part.
If your looking at a breeder and they don’t refer you to other breeders so you can get an idea of what type of dog within that breed you like the best, you should probaly look elsewhere.
A RESPONSIBLE BREEDER wants the best not only for there dogs, but there breed as well.
Also a HOBBY Breeder is not the same as a Backyard breeder
June 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
I think someone can be termed a backyard breeder and still care for the dogs, provide vet care, have extensive knowledge of breeding and whelping, and not be in it for the money. A “reputable breeder” would state anyone is a backyard breeder who does not breed solely for the purpose of obtaining show quality dogs and those which don’t meet this standard are spayed/neutered and sold as pets.
So if you don’t show your dogs and produce from show quality lineage you can be deemed a backyard breeder no matter how well your dogs are cared for or your intentions.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
i dont really support Backyard breeders as they make it less likely for a shelter dog to find a home.
for every pup THEY bring into the world , a shelter dogs life is stolen!
June 15th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Yes what you have said is right with some backyard breeders. But 4 years ago, I bought a shih-tzu puppy from a backyard breeder for 150.00. Her house & yard was clean and tidy and all the pups had been to the vet and had their first shots and had been wormed. She had papers where the pups mother “Haley” had seen the vet regularly and had prenatal care. Buddy is 4 year old now and healthy. I have not had any major problems out of him besides allergies. So what I am saying is all back yard breeders are not the same. Buddy is wonderful and I am glad I bought him.
June 18th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
#7 - If they have an unplanned litter, they are a BYB.
#8 - If they just want “Fluffy” to have one litter before he/she is fixed, they are a BYB.
#9 - If they want their kids to have the “experience”, they are a BYB.
#10 - If they have a couple of dogs & let them have a litter, “because” they can “find” homes for the puppies, they are a BYB.
#11 - If they let their unaltered dogs roam free & make puppies, they are a BYB (even if it is someone else’s backyard).
I could probably go on…but…
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 am
I think your opinion is a little “strict”- but the end result for me is the same. I think your definition borders more on the puppy mill definition. For me, a BYB is simply:
1.) someone who doesn’t do any testing on their dogs, or showing, or even know the breed standard.
Generally, a BYB doesn’t know any better- a puppy mill is for the GREED of it! But, they both end up producing poorly bred dogs.
2 of my 4 kids came from BYB’s- and they were not the worst places on earth, but these dogs are not of the high quality the other 2 are.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
This is my personal opinion. I don’t like breeder’s no matter how responsible they are. I think that all animals should be spayed/neutered. There are so many animals that need good homes, and no one wants to adopt from a shelter,or they don’t want a mixed breed. People forget that your purebreds are only classified as purebreds, because they meant the guidelines of akc, or pedigree. Every animal is a mixed breed, some just have better qualities than others. Every dog registered or not has the right to be loved, and taken care of.
June 26th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I have been tossing this subject around for days. I have read what a lot of people have said. My self, I would rather buy a puppy from a family home that has had a litter of puppies in their back yard or home and has taken care of them like a member of their family. You can go to the home a see for your self what conditions thy are in. There is a difference between the “back yard breeder” and a “puppy mill” It sounds like you are describing a puppy mill.
June 28th, 2008 at 1:08 am
All of your answers are just kinda crazy-I mean come on think about it.
So basically by ALL OF YOUR STANDARDS EVERYONE IS A BYB!!!!!!!!
Maybe ALL BREEDING of ALL animals should be BANNED AND PUNISHABLE BY A LIFE IN PRISON SENTENCE.
There are enough stupid animals in this world including ALL of the purebred championship title winners, and all mutts, and all wild animals. Its about like people who just keep popping out kids although so many people now days turn out to be aw full people who only care about themselves instead of the children they bring into the world. ALL ANIMALS INCLUDING FARM ANIMALS AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE REQUIRED BY LAW TO GET FIXED BY A CERTAIN AGE ACCORDING TO WHAT BREED THEY ARE.
I really think that what makes a BYB a BYB is the stupid people who are even allowed to buy or own a dog, and you know what it all comes back to how the people are raised by their parents.
June 30th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Good Question! Some people seem to think your either a pro or a backyard breeder. This is not true in my opinion. I have known of situtations that you perfectly described. I guess I’m in between. Breed my goldens VERY moderatly. And even though they are outside dogs they have a shed like house of there own, they are much happier and more comfy outside. They have invisible fence and secure kennels for overnight and when we’re away. At least 3 walks throughout the day. They have always had great puppies and we do not just give them to anyone. Whoever is interested, places a deposit and visits them frequently until they go home. All the puppies are sold with AKC papers and shots. We ask them to visit there vet in the first week. So if there are any problems we will take the puppy back. Also even if its not legel they know we would take the puppy back if we needed to. Cashing in is the last thing we think about.
OK so I get thumbs down. Thats ok, I still believe the most important factor in raising puppies, besides for making sure they are healthy, is a lot of love and kisses. Poeple seem to think that because someones dogs has all the right tests, that qualifies that dog or owner to raise pups. Theres a lot more to it than that. No dog no matter how wonderful should be bred to much either. We always get OFA clerances and care much more about our dogs than many show people.
Just my opinion!!
July 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm
BYB excuses:
1. When called on bad breeding practices, ALWAYS claim that you are merely an innocent, posting as a favor to a friend or family member.
2. Point out that everybody you know breeds this way, therefore it must be okay.
3. Claim that “snobby show breeders” are only criticizing you because they want to corner the market on puppy profit.
4. Claim that a Champion in the pedigree is just as good as 56 Champions in the pedigree. Not that it matters, because you doubt that there is such a thing as a dog with 56 champions in the pedigree.
5. Claim that you are just trying to produce good pets, therefore good pets are all you need for breeding.
6. When asked about health testing, enthusiastically point out that your bitch had a health checkup before breeding.
7. Be sure to mention that you do not need to run such health tests as OFA, CERF, thyroid, cardiac, patellae, etc., because your dogs look healthy and had no visible problems at their last vet checkup.
8. Point out that these tests cost too much and would cut into your profit margin. Be sure to champion the right of poor people to breed dogs.
9. Confidently assure worried rescuers that no puppy you produce, or any of their puppies or grand puppies or great-grandpuppies will end up in shelters because you have a bunch of friends who have told you that they’d like a pup from your bitch.
10. Point out that you don’t need Championships or working titles on your dogs because you are breeding for temperament and your dog is really sweet.
11. Silence those annoying people who ask about your health guarantee by assuring them that buyers can return any sick puppies and you will replace it with another pup as long as it got sick within a certain amount of time of sale and as long as you don’t think the buyer did something to make the puppy sick.
12. If your breed or line is rare (or you have a “rare” color, or believe your breed or color is rare), be sure to remind everyone that you do not need to show, temperament test, or health test your breeding stock because you are doing the world a service by continuing this “rare” breed/color/line.
13. No matter what anyone else says, claim that you obviously know what you are doing because you’ve been breeding for a long time. Point to the hundreds of puppies you’ve pumped out over the years as proof.
14. If this is your first attempt at breeding, make sure to remind everyone that you HAVE to breed your dog because how else are you going to learn how to breed?
15. Assure everyone that your dog does not need to be shown because you were assured by someone at Petsmart/the park/the vet’s office/a friend that your dog is a perfect example of the breed.
16. Always remember that “rare” colors, oversized or undersized dogs, and mixes of popular breeds are great selling points. Anyone who doesn’t think so is obviously not in tune with their customers’ wishes.
17. Claim that your dogs are better because they are not inbred, as inbreeding obviously produces sick/stupid/deformed dogs. If breeding poo as in “Cock-a-Poo,” “Peek-a-Poo,” etc. dogs or other mutts, always point to “hybrid vigor” as proof of your dogs’ superiority.
18. Remind everyone that you do not need a waiting list because your puppies are cute.
19. Assure everyone that your puppies will not end up in shelters because they are cute.
20. Claim that YOUR breed never ends up in shelters in your area, therefore your puppies will never end up in shelters.
21. If asked why you think your dogs are breeding quality, point out that they “have papers.” Extra points awarded for using the phrase “AKC Certified.” Double points if those papers come from the Continental Kennel Club.
22. If you sell a sick puppy, always blame the owners for making it sick. If the owners are clearly not responsible, blame their vet. (see #11)
23. If presented with irrefutable evidence proving you wrong on any excuses you have used, pretend your server did not receive the post/e-mail.
24. Claim that none of the rules of ethical breeding apply to you because you only intend to have one litter and therefore aren’t a “real” breeder.
25. If all else fails, tell everyone who criticizes you to “get a life.”
thumbs down eh? awww, did I strike a sore spot with someone?
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:01 pm
I agree with Milly. I would buy a dog from a family with puppies each and every time. I won’t buy from the “show” breeders who have 40-50 dogs. I want a puppy from a family who loves their pet, kisses the puppies everyday, and has less than ten dogs.
I’m not looking for a show dog, just a pet. So I will buy a reasonably priced, well care-for, well-loved pet from a family. You have to understand that most of the people who whine the most about this either breed dogs themselves or else run a rescue that sells dogs as a dealership. I won’t deal with either one.