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Backyard breeder or not?
By admin | May 10, 2008
Kk asked:
Ok, I am not a breeder!
I know people who are and I cannot decide..
Would this be considered to be a backyard breeder?…
-Does not show dogs, but the dogs fit the standard.
-Obediance trains the dogs[mother and father dogs].
-Cares for each of the puppies
-Does not expect to get much money/ does not breed for the money
-Does not get the dogs tested before breeding.
-Brings the mom and puppies to the vet.
-Owns both the mom and dad.
-Keeps the puppies until theyre old enough to leave.
-Makes sure each one has a loving home and checks up on them every month.
-plans the litters out, so nothing goes wrong
Would that be a backyard breeding or not?
oh and all the dogs are AKC registered.
And they worm the puppies and give them shots before they leave.
I need help knowing if these people actually are backyard breeders.
Yesh they breed to try and better the breed.
what I’m saying is theyre not tested for hips and whatever its called OHA or OFA Idk whats it called.
But they are checked for disease and both are happy healthy dogs.
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May 14th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Add two more things, and he is not a backyard breeder.
1. Quality professional breeders try to improve the breed. So they check the parents to make sure that they have no genetic diseases. And then they follow the puppies to insure that they don’t develop genetic diseases.
2. These breeders check out buyers for quality. They won’t sell their puppies to people who can’t raise well-adjusted dogs.
Otherwise, these people sound like a good place to get a puppy.
May 16th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Unless it is professional I would say every dog breeder is “backyard.” It is not necessarily a bad thing. It sounds like they are being responsible and caring. Puppy Mills are the bad breeders.
Most people are not “genetically tested” before having kids. Unless a dog has a problem I would see no problem in breeding them. If you plan to show them that is another story.
May 18th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Yes because even though the person cares for the dogs he/she isn’t breeding to improve anything….just doing it as a hobby. Person fails to understand that by not testing dogs genetic wise that (s)he can be passing on a horrid trait that can cause heartbreak (puppy mills are notorious for this even if their dogs are clean and healthy). Real breeders don’t usually breed two dogs they own. Instead they get studs or breed their males to females and get their pick of the litter. This is because they want the best of genes. Breeding is more than just having a healthy mom and dad…..its about genes and preventing horrid traits from passing on while maintaining breed standards.
EDIT:
If they were trying to better the breed they would test for hips and stuff. CHD and other diseases are things breeders are working to eliminate from bloodlines thus bettering the breed.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:10 am
Not having the dogs genetically tested to me is bad. Unless they are tested you don;t know what they could be passing along.
Are the dogs both AKC registered?
I would say this person is more responsible than the average back yard breeder, but still a BYB. Would I buy a puppy from them… no!
May 20th, 2008 at 8:49 am
According to what you have listed they would be a backyard breeder. Hobby breeders show their dog’s and breed for the purpose of bettering the breed. I don’t believe there is anything wrong with purchasing from a backyard breeder as long as they seem legitimate. You want to make sure that they puppies are very healthy, that the parents do not have any health problems that could be passed on to the puppies, and that the breeder has taken them to the vet to get their shots and deworming. A health guarantee is always a bonus as well.
May 21st, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Yes, backyard breeder. If they do not show then how do they know the dogs fit the standard? There are different degrees of BYB but the description you give still fits the profile of a BYB. If you do not have the results of a breed program evaluated by experts then how do you know what you have? You can’t realistically judge your own work.
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:34 pm
I wouldn’t consider them the worst breeders, but I wouldn’t consider them the best breeders either. Everything sounds pretty good except for them not doing any tests on the breeding dogs and not showing.
May 24th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Absolutely.
If they breed their animals at home and are not licensed breeders, that makes them backyard breeders.
May 27th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
This isn’t exactly a back yard breeder, but it isn’t good either, and main reason is there are 2 faults in the list you showed. I am going to use German Shepherds as an example, because I love German Shepherds, and its the breed I know most about.
Each breed as a breeding standard that people really should study and know, not just a breed standard. For example, German Shepherds have a very stricked breed standard in Germany that many people don’t follow here in the United States. Males can not be bred until they have received their Schutzhund leve 3 title, and I believe that the mothers have to have a level 1. Now in order for the dogs to compete in Schutzhund, they have to have their hips, elbows and hearts certified. Now, I know a few breeders for German Shepherds here in the States, and one, follows the German standarded. The others ones I know all breed American line dogs and their dogs are show dogs. All the breeders though compete in some way or another with their dogs, care for all the puppies, they do not do it for the money as they realize that you are going to spend more than you make, takes mother and pups to the vet, may own both mother and father, but they may also stud out a dog, do not allow the puppies to be adopted until they are 8 weeks old, they have strong application processes, and they do not even breed a litter till they have a waiting list. Another thing about back yard breeders though that differs from good breeders, is that back yard breeders will breed the heck out of the dogs. Most dogs should be bred once every other year, where as back yard breeders will breed a b*tch every time she comes into heat.
May 31st, 2008 at 12:22 am
So why are they breeding if not for money?
Do they realize that backyard breeders are the biggest contributors to the overpopulation of dogs. Dogs being euthanized in shelters everyday because there are too many dogs and not enough homes?
They are backyard breeders because they are doing nothing for the breed and I think you know they are breeding these dogs as a cash crop. Do they adopt out with a spay/neuter contract like responsible breeders do. If they are pet quality adopter must sign a spay/neuter contract.
You HAVE to get the dogs tested.
And why bring yet more dogs into the world?
May 31st, 2008 at 2:30 am
even professional breeders don’t screen the owner well enough; they can’t stay in business without get rid of the used up dogs ; do the math; you can’t be in business for years and keep all the dogs; many say to promote the breed but rather promote the greed
June 1st, 2008 at 8:07 am
To me, this sounds more like a “Hobby” breeder. Hobby breeders don’t have to show their dogs, but they are well educated in the breed standards and confirmations. A hobby breeder spends more money on breeding and caring for the mom and pups, than they plan to recoup by selling them. They care about the pups as if they are their own children. Everything you state, makes your friends sound like the Hobby breeder, not a BYB.
It seems a lot of people get the two groups confused. A BYB is a breeder who breed for money. Plain and simple! They don’t know, or care about breed standards. They don’t keep the puppies until they are 8 to 12 weeks old. (depending on the breed) They don’t worm them, get them shots, health certs. etc. They never check out the people buying the pups. Anyone with money qualifies! And once that puppy is gone, that is all she wrote! They wouldn’t take the pup back if it were sick, they just wouldn’t care. Backyard Breeders are uneducated, greedy, jerks, who breed low quality dogs in order to make a quick buck off the expense of their poor dogs and some unsuspecting sucker who is willing to buy it!
The only thing that I see that they are doing wrong is not having the proper genetic tests run on the dogs. Having the OFA done is crucial!
June 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Back yard breeder! Their breeding is pointless. Just because a dog fits the standard, and by the way since they don’t show there’s no proof of that, doesn’t make them breeding quality. Every dog ever born on this planet has faults, and that includes the biggest winning show dog of all time. It’s the degree to which a dog deviates from the standard that determines whether or not its breeding quality.
Anyone can obedience train a dog. Do they have their UDs?
How can they plan a litter out so nothing goes wrong? Impossible. Do they have a thorough knowledge of genetics, and do they know the dogs in both dogs’ pedigrees inside and out for 3 generations back? What exactly are they breeding for if they don’t?
The fact that they do no health tests, and I assume no brucellosis tests either, just about says it all.
June 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
They are backyard breeders. Owns both the mom & dad????
That means they aren’t even TRYING to find a stud dog who, after much studying of pedigrees and observing what the dog produces in his get, they have determined the mating of THAT STUD to their particular female will produce puppies that constitute a viable contribution to the breed. They’re just breeding together whatever male & female dog they own.
And vet checking is NOT genetic testing and health clearances. Whether breeding out of greed or out of ignorance of what truly responsible breeding entails, they are still backyard breeders.
Here are some suggested questions one can use to determine if a breeder is truly responsible:
1. Is she an AKC registered breeder of good standing and an active member of her breed Parent Club?
2. Are there AKC Champions listed on the pedigree, showing that the breeder spends her time & money to prove the quality of her breeding stock through competition?
3. Are all the animals kept in clean, comfortable, healthy, loving circumstances?
4. Did the breeder conduct extensive interviews with you and every member of your family?
5. Have the sire & dam received all available health clearances, (eg. OFA Hip & Eye, Thyroid testing, THESE VARY FOR EACH BREED)
6. Is she willing to honestly discuss any possible genetic defects that may exist in her line?
7. Does she have a Sales Contract?
8. Does the contract contain a clause stipulating that you spay or neuter the puppy before it reaches a certain
age?
9. Does the contract contain a clause stating that if at any time in the puppy’s life, you can no longer care for it, it must be returned to the breeder? (This ensures that no animal bred by this breeder will ever end up in a shelter).
10. Will the breeder maintain contact with you for the life of the puppy to answer questions and help in general?
June 6th, 2008 at 3:18 am
If the only dogs that were bred were show dogs, where ever would people get their pets??? I hate that term, backyard breeder, as if it were so awful to breed nice, healthy pets.
Sounds to me like they are doing fine. *I* don’t check hips/elbows either, it is not a problem in my breed and would be a total waste of money. Now, if they are breeding GSDs and not checking, that would be different. They SHOULD be testing for breed specific things, but that depends on the breed, some are pretty healthy.
June 6th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
It is called irresponsible breeding if they don’t do genetic health testing on parents, if they don’t research the pedigrees thoroughly before breeding to make sure that the male & female compliment each other, if they don’t show or at least get the dogs evalauted to make sure they meet breed standard. There is no way they are breeding to “better the breed” if they aren’t doing any of these things..they are simply just breeding becasue they can.
June 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
The mentioned breeder sounds like a reputable breeder. Not all breeders have to show their dogs. Sounds like they take excellent care of their dogs.
I know a Backtard breeder. They
Start breeding at first heat or just over a year old. Breed every CYCLE!! For years and years until the dog just wears out. They think that just because their dogs/pups are AKC registered, that just makes everything okay!! They are low life scum, the bottom of the heap as breeders go. They make me sick. They claim to have been raising chihuahuas for 50 yr vut haven’t learned the most basic things a breeder needs to know. They support pet shops becaise they used to own one.
June 8th, 2008 at 8:03 am
It is horribly unethical to breed animals when so many end up getting euthanized in shelters for lack of good homes. There is absolutely no reason for anyone except perhaps a select few top breeders to breed animals. Every new puppy produced in that scenario is taking a shelter space away from another animal who deserves to live just as much as those puppies. It makes me sick when people think breeding animals is some easy ticket to wealth. They create a lot of misery for the animals and abuse the system that tries to help stray animals by overburdening the system with yet more puppies.
June 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
For Dog Breeders, I would recommend
http://www.buysellpuppies.com
June 11th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Ok, first, if they are trying to better the breed, they had better be testing before breeding. How else will they know if they are producing healthy dogs? Second, check the age of the mother and ask how many litters they have each year. I would also ask how many different dogs they breed at the same time. If it is more than one, they are trying to make money, whether they tell you this or not.